ShadowKnight TheoryCrafting

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  • Keymaster
    Member since: June 9, 2018

    The Shadowknight, one of the true wielders of “Dark Magic”! ShadowKnights in DtN are a Necromancer and Warrior Hybrid.

    Question: Given that foundation what abilities would you like to see the Shadowknight embrace?

  • Participant
    Member since: April 5, 2019

    With the necromancer / dark magic in mind, I think of life-force manipulating abilities. They drain their enemies life to replenish their own, they sacrifice their own life to damage their enemies/buff their allies, and maybe they are able to briefly animate a fallen foe/ally as a ghoul to help them in battle.

    My primary concern is balance. In EQ, it seems like SKs can be squishy. In WoW, Death Knight’s healing is too strong, and they can accomplish feats no other tank can due to their absurd self-healing.

    To counter the above, I would do something of a blend. Allow SK’s to be very sturdy in combat, and allow them to manipulate their own life total with some strict healing limitations and/or have their allies healing magic not play so nicely with the SK’s own dark magic in the form of SKs taking reduced healing from non-SK allies. I have no idea how that could work in practice, just spit-balling.

  • Keymaster
    Member since: June 9, 2018

    Thanks, @azrabaine, These are definitely some thoughts we can get behind. I appreciate the time to post this!

  • Participant
    Member since: May 5, 2019

    I like what Azrabaine wrote and I completely agree with his thoughts.

    I have always held that the Shadow Knight should be the antithesis of the Paladin…
    While I am of course not unique in that thought, I have rarely seen it done effectively in a game.

    Both are sturdy, full armor wearing, “tanky” classes. However, where the Paladin deals in light and health, the Shadow Knight deals in darkness, pain, and death. The Paladin protects his/her allies with buffs and healing magic, but also has limited debuffs for enemies. The Shadow Knight curses his enemies with DoTs, de-buffs, and life-stealing magic, but also can buff allies in a more “dark magic” sort of way.

    However, the Shadow Knight is not simply a Necromancer in plate armor. While they both tap into the same dark magic, they use it differently…

    The Necromancer is more about reanimating the dead to fight his battles and uses ranged abilities and weapons because he is a cloth wearing “squishy”. The Shadow Knight is a plate wearing melee specialist that can tank a lot of damage while using DoTs and dark magic debuffs.

    I believe Everquest had the closest idea to what a Shadow Knight should be, except that the EQ class was far too squishy for a supposed plate wearing knight, and I was never sure why the Shadow Knight should need to raise a skeleton to tank for him; a SK should be his own tank and have dark magic to supplement his attacks. Also, his signature spell “Harm Touch” which was the opposing spell to the Paladin’s “Lay on Hands” was essentially useless.

    Other games have done a reasonable job of a similar class. While I appreciated the Dark Knight class and had fun playing it, it was nevertheless not what I picture a “Dark Paladin” to be. It just didn’t have the right “feel”. I again agree with Azrabaine that Dark Knight self-heals were far too powerful. Of course life-stealing should be a part of the Shadow Knight kit, it should only be supplemental to his dark magic damage dealing and battlefield manipulation.

    Regarding the “feel”… Where a Paladin gives the feeling of virtue and protection, the presence of a Shadow Knight should project a very dark and sinister feeling to those around him. In short, the Shadow Knight should be a scary bad-ass to see on the battlefield (or even in town).

    You asked about specific abilities and I want to give that more consideration, so I will follow-up. I just wanted to give my thoughts on the class in general for now. The idea of the Shadow Knight has always been my favorite class, and I very much want a legitimate “Dark Paladin” to be my class of choice in DTN.

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  • Keymaster
    Member since: June 9, 2018

    I so love your suggestions and many of your thoughts are being implemented so I feel the SK will feel very enjoyable based on your post. Thanks!

  • Participant
    Member since: May 25, 2019

    Shadow Knight reminds me of Death Knight from WoW. I do not actually mind , because that was my main back then. I presume there will be some similarities even we are speaking of own kind concept at the same time.

    Creating a Warrior and Necromancer hybrid class sounds pretty interesting and it woke up my interest straight away. I hope we are going to see mix of damage dealer, tank and debuffer/distractor.

    I would like to see tanking to base a lot to dark magic, shadows and summons. Where warrior most likely relys on armor, shield, protective abilities, barriers, buffs, supporting allies.. maybe SK could focus more to dodge, crowd control, debuff, sacrifice summons. So my point is to make these two tanks totally different from their playstyles.

    Okay this was what first came up my mind and I will come back later to share more ideas and opinions. 🙂

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